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Aastra phones not supporting STUN

trydor
Posts: 20
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2007-01-16

Hello,

RE: Aastra 480i, 9133i Phones - NO STUN SUPPORT

We purchased around 45 of Aastra's IP phones before realizing that they do not support STUN.

The phones work great within our office, but unfortunately they can not be used outside of the office (without some greater than average knowledge about port forwarding and IP configurations).

Upon discussion with tech support they indicated that there is no immediate plans to include this in future releases of the firmware because they have not had many requests for it.

We just wanted to put out there that if you plan on using these externally they are not the easiest to setup and maybe those that do have them may want to talk to tech support about having STUN added as a feature in the future (if the demand increases then they will more than likely put more thought towards including this in their future firmware releases).

Once again I just want to re-iterate that these phones are one of the superior phones on the market and we will continue to use Aastra products in the future. It just would make things easier if they included something as common as STUN in their phones to allow easier deployment of these as external phones.

Thanks
Darren



kerryg
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2006-05-31
I have never used STUN on

I have never used STUN on any remote phone I have ever set up for anyone. I have no idea why you would feel the need for that when basic port forwarding is all that is needed.

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trydor
Posts: 20
Member Since:
2007-01-16
Maybe I don't have enough

Maybe I don't have enough experience.

From what we have experienced using the Aastra phones with Trixbox if you don't hard code the external IP address in the phone then it tries to use the internal LAN IP (that it was assigned by the router at the remote location) when registering to Trixbox. Most internet connections held by employees have dynamic assignment. A couple providers change the IP randomly and frequently.

I understand how to do the port forwarding (and could walk employees through this) but most of our individuals that would be working remotely have very little technical experience and only understand "plug the big phone jack into the phone and then into the router, then plug in the power".

The other challenge is when people are travelling they do not have access to the setup of the router to do the port forwarding (i.e.: in a hotel room).

In our experience we have had no issues using Sipura SPA's when connecting from hotels (with STUN enabled).

Can you recommend any other way to get around this? What we want is for the sales individual to be able to take the phone anywhere in the world with an internet connection and be able to work like they are sitting in their office.

Thanks

Darren



kerryg
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2006-05-31
You should be able to avoid

You should be able to avoid problems by having the re-registration happen more often.

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trydor
Posts: 20
Member Since:
2007-01-16
Thanks for the

Thanks for the information.

How would increasing the reg. period help with the device in a hotel room (RE: port forwarding)?



kerryg
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2006-05-31
It will help keep the

It will help keep the connection between the phone and the device up. As a second point, I have never heard of anyone traveling with full size hardphones to before, most users have softphones for that purpose. We hear something new every day.

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KodaK
Posts: 1873
Member Since:
2006-06-14
I keep a 480i strapped to my

I keep a 480i strapped to my belt at all times, just in case.

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rjefferis
Posts: 94
Member Since:
2006-05-31
you may joke, but i took my

you may joke, but i took my 480i to spain with me last year, i think i may have taken it to disney land at some point as well. Oh, those were the days. My 480i is long gone now, just a 57i firmly planted to my desk.



trydor
Posts: 20
Member Since:
2007-01-16
I guess I am missing

I guess I am missing something..... I still fail to see how what you are suggesting will work, as I do not have the option to forward ports in the router.

I DO know that STUN would fix this and makes deployment seamless as i have used STUN with MANY other SIP devices. If there wasn't a need for STUN then why was it created?

If Aastra could add to a future release that woud be greatly appreciated. If not, so be it. I will have to look at other phone manufacturers with STUN support for external clients.

Thanks! Have GREAT Day!

Darren



LinuxAsterisk
Posts: 3
Member Since:
2008-05-01
Also not understanding this

I'm in the same situation: NAT, *and* the public IP is dynamic. I can configure a public IP in the phone config, but that changes frequently. STUN would solve this, but from what I can tell the 480i CT doesn't support that. What should I do in this situation? Is there any way to get this phone working through NAT with a dynamic public addr?



jahyde
Posts: 1988
Member Since:
2006-06-02
have your tried updating

have your tried updating your firmware - not sure, but i think you should have STUN in the latest firmware, 5i firmwares all have STUN, so the 480 shouldnt be far behind.

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KodaK
Posts: 1873
Member Since:
2006-06-14
I have the most recent

I have the most recent firmware for the 480i, and there is no stun. I suspect that that series of phones is done having features added and any new firmware for it will be bug fixes. They've said on more than one occasion that they just can't fit anything else in the space they have.

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LinuxAsterisk
Posts: 3
Member Since:
2008-05-01
Re STUN: It doesn't have it,

Re STUN: It doesn't have it, and support isn't planned.

I'm wondering, have I paid $250 for a phone which I'll never be able to use to make a call? The only way I can get it to talk to Asterisk is if I enter in the NAT device external IP in the phone config, but that's something which changes. Is this phone just an expensive paperweight?



KodaK
Posts: 1873
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2006-06-14
I think you might be able to

I think you might be able to use a proxy in a situation like this, but I have to admit that I don't fully understand what you're saying your situation is.

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jahyde
Posts: 1988
Member Since:
2006-06-02
if the ip changes - why dont

if the ip changes - why dont you use dyndns, and put the dns name in the NAT IP field - i think it should take the name as well.

do you use a lot out of the office? If its just one or 2, why not get a 55i - I think they are only like $10 more, and you could then have the feature you want.

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LinuxAsterisk
Posts: 3
Member Since:
2008-05-01
I talked to a helpful person

I talked to a helpful person at ABPTech. Bottom line:

1. This phone isn't going to work in a dynamic NAT situation. It doesn't support STUN. It was a mistake for me to buy this phone.

2. I can either get another phone, or use a tunnel to hide the whole NAT aspect of this.

I'm going to go ahead and try OpenVPN. My reasons are:

1. I need encryption anyway

2. The recommended phone is the Snom 370, but that doesn't have a cordless.

3. I will eventually switch to Snom phones, and they have built-in OpenVPN support, so I need to get that installed in any case.

I'll be posting a detailed how-to about this all when I'm done with it.



jahyde
Posts: 1988
Member Since:
2006-06-02
keep in mind you are on a

keep in mind you are on a platform that was designed 7-8 years ago, even microsoft doesnt keep adding features for that long, the 5i series has everything you asked for, and they still cost less than a Snom, and they have a cordless as well - just no built-in vpn client - also keep in mind, using vpn can limit your QOS capabilities, and may not work for voice if you have other traffic hitting that tunnel.

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KodaK
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2006-06-14
Also don't forget to account

Also don't forget to account for VPN overhead in your bandwidth calculations.

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xinsight
Posts: 18
Member Since:
2008-01-17
do you really need STUN?

Hi,

I have an aastra phone (9113i) in a home office, behind a generic home router. The PBX (asterisk) is on a public IP. There are no problems with traversing the NAT and connecting to asterisk. It makes and receives calls just fine (The only problem is that I had to use IP addresses due to a bug in the Aastra firmware where the thread that does DNS lookups would sporatically crash. Apparently it's a known problem. I've reported it, but they don't seem too interested in fixing it.)

I have also setup a SNOM and it works fine going out through the router and connecting to the asterisk server. (It has STUN support, but i just entered the asterisk server address, username and password and it just worked.) I didn't see any options for stun (ie. stun server), so I don't know if stun is being used.

Hope this is helpful.

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xinsight
Posts: 18
Member Since:
2008-01-17
ps

ps - i didn't do any config to the router. (no port forwarding or whatever.) so unless ports are blocked (e.g. 5060) it should work fine from any location.

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jahyde
Posts: 1988
Member Since:
2006-06-02
what is the router?

what is the router?

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